Elderly lady risks being ex-communicated for not tithing.

Well, this church is not messing around.  I am not a violent person but if this pastor sent me this letter to me and my church, he’d end up beaten up behind the pulpit by the offering plates themselves (we got the nice brass ones too, they would do some damage). 

Found this on the relevant magazine site and thought this was funny … and sad … but pretty funny in the “this is why some churches and pastors are dumb” sense.  I hope this church gets a new pastor and a better leadership but until then, may God give her grace and may the news of this bring conviction to those who need it.

“A church member of Victory Time Full Gospel Church on Anniston Drive, received a letter from her pastor stating she would lose her church membership if she did not pay her tithes within the next thirty days … more”.

It’s a short article but the comments are pretty long.  Couldn’t read all of them but this was a welcomed diversion from all my church history reading.  But on a side note, it was interesting to observe all the people who wanted to set everybody straight, gets pretty intense (but we’ve seen much worse).  My take is that even this is part of the church.

 

Q Conference Post 2 – Jon Tyson session

The first speaker of the Q Conference was church planter, Jon Tyson.  Born and raised in Australia, he was the young adult pastor in a mega-church in Orlando and a couple of years ago started Origins Church in Manhattan. 

I’ve met Jon a couple of times (even brought my youth group to see him, and yeah, I know, our kids are so lucky, I mean blessed, to have a guy like me taking them to a guy like Jon.)  and really appreciate his humility.  He speaks with a lot of wisdom and brings great ideas and insights to his audience whether it be on Sunday mornings or to a group of fellow leaders at a gathering like this.

Here are a couple things he said that got me thinking:

“We have incredible fruit in our churches on an individual level but there is little cultural fruit”

       So true.  The success of our churches have been on that individual level.  We all know people who have radically changed their lives through the power of the Gospel and through the discipleship and encouragement of their local church.  What we haven’t heard nearly as much are the stories of churches that have had similar impacts on their communities.

       Thus the long-term causality has been the minimal effect the church has had on the culture.  We’ve retreated from it, been told it was evil or worldly.  For a long time, the church was only a refuge and not an agent of transformation and now many of them are becoming monuments.

“There needs to be a return of the city

                        Return where cultures are created.

                        We have a mandate – we’ve been commissioned … (gospel)

                        Accept our responsibility – Christ did this like spiritual acupuncture, he took those moments                         and points …           

                       Engage the world …“

       Jon and later fellow NYC pastor Tim Keller, called for a return to the “city”.  This was more then an anti-suburban cheer but was more of a vision-casting of the hope and need of a city.  I’ve always loved many parts the city, (and I enjoy certain parts of the burbs too.  Who knows what is in store for us? But back to Tyson and Keller.) but the idea was to be a part of the city.  To see it for it’s potential, to see it’s not only worth saving, but worth loving.  They didn’t say this, but all the emphasis that we put on the burbs, maybe we can be as faithful in the city (or attempt to be). 

       We read things like this and we react because the cities do not have the best public schools, have more crime, polluted, crowded and expensive.  But we all know that at the end of the day, generally speaking, we live where we want to live.  We don’t want to live in the city.  I found myself convicted on this yet again.

       Cultures are created in the city.  That line alone is a lot to think about.

 

 

He called for the need to create “a holistic theology relevant to our time”.

– Not sure I can put these thoughts into words yet.  I find myself nodding ‘amen’ but that’s all I got so far.  Yes, things need to change.

On the road with Tony Jones and Trucker Frank.

For all you people reading Tony Jones’ New Christians, he just put the first of six youtube episode/interviews with the beloved Trucker Frank. 

An enjoyable 9.30 minutes.

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Reflecting on the Q Conference

I was fortunate enough to attend the Q Conference in NYC put on by Gabe Lyons’ (co-author of UnChristian) Ferni Project.  Truth be told, I was really impressed.  The theme was Culture.Future.Church.Gospel.

Seemed very balanced to me.  Chuck Colson and Jim Wallis were both speakers, need I say more?  Some of the speakers were Tim Keller, Andy Crouch (who was friggin awesome), Os Guiness, Shane Hipps (the second coolest guy named Shane) and a bunch of others.

Sitting in round tables in Gotham Hall in Herald Square (in between Time Square and Madison Square Garden), they put a lot of thought into this.  For instance, each speaker was only given 18 minutes to give one big point.  There was a countdown clock left of the speaker.  No joke.  It helped keep everyone’s attention.  

There were “3 Minute” missional shorts to create awareness of projects, films, and causes.  There were talk-backs with the speakers, an AIDS Care assembly kit (where you actually pack the kit with supplies) and some music like The Fray who played some old and new tunes. 

Gabe Lyons is my latest hero.  (Yeah, he’s a fellow Liberty grad.  We’re not all lame you know).  I hope to highlight some of the speakers’ points as I bring a blog post once each month.  So, yeah, maybe you should just register for next year.  It will be in Austin next year April 27-29. Here is the link.

 

reflecting on a Multi-Faceted Gospel

One book I thought I would have read by now is Scot McKnight’s A Community Called Atonement and this CT article entitled, “A Multi-Faceted Gospel” reminded me that I need to read it soon.

Here are some exerts:

“…Plurality does not equal pluralism. The ancient creeds, echoing 1 Corinthians 15, say that for our sake Jesus was crucified, buried, and on the third day rose again. God’s people have been reflecting on these declarations ever since. We will never exhaust their implications, whether expressed as “God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life,” or “I once was lost, but now am found.”

(this one is my favorite) – “Evangelicals needn’t be afraid of new approaches to the gospel—the church has been coming up with them for centuries. We managed to get through 1,900 years of Christian history without the Four Spiritual Laws and the bridge diagram. The formula of “accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior” is also fairly recent. And what worked in the post–World War II context might not be appropriate in the early 21st century. Many people today have different questions, assumptions, and concerns.”

“Hence, we need variety and creativity in our gospel witness. A chorus of voices from N. T. Wright and Dallas Willard to Allen Wakabayashi and Brian McLaren calls us to rediscover the kingdom of God. Scot McKnight tells a story about the restoration of cracked eikons (image-bearers). ”

 

For full article, click here

Discerning the "Discernment Resource"

So there I was surfing the net and I stumbled upon a site entitled the “discernment resource” (www.discernemntresource.com).  How thoughtful, another watchdog site against any Christian idea that is somewhat progressive.  I read about the concerns of Rick Warren and Billy Hybels and of course the Emergent Church.   So I clicked on the first article under the emergent church and could barely get out of the first sentence.  Here it is:    Unfortunately, todays church is caught in a paradigm shift. That is, the church is moving from a modern church, where teaching fundamental Bible doctrine is the norm, to a post-modern, or transformational church in which loud, watered down, seeker-sensitive services are the order of the day.

This is what my interpreted as I read, “Unfortunately, the church is changing, because the world is changing and because both of these are made up of people, this unfortunately means that people are changing.  The church is moving from what it Jesus had meant (you know how we did church from 1950-1989 or whatever arbitrary date that is defined as the “good old days”), where milk flowed like honey and the land was plentiful, where we had our doctrine, hermeneutics and translations right.  Now we’re headed to …

Pardon the sarcasm, I didn’t really mean it.  Well … anyway, although I could go on and on about the mistakes, incorrect assumptions and flawed thinking (and please don’t blame it on the Bible), I would like to just talk about that first line, “Unfortunately the world is changing …”  It’s not unfortunate.

The world is changing because people are changing.  That writer is changing.  The world around him is changing.  This is the reality of life.  We cannot stop time, we cannot dwell too much in the past, we ought not to curse the future, but be faithful stewards of it.  It is my belief that the emerging church conversation is part of this faithful stewardship. 

My friends, fortunately, the world is changing.

Reflecting on Listening to a Sermon I Disagreed With

Granted, this may sound arrogant, but grant me the benefit of the doubt for the sake of discussion.  Recently, I listened to a sermon that I started disagreeing sharply with from the beginning.  After the first point, I found myself disagreeing with the second and it kept spiraling.  I am squirming in my seat, and contemplating, “In a world without consequences, I would stand up and say something”.

It was one of those, “We need to get back to the good old days!” charges with examples I could not appreciate it and with a tone that I could not identify with.   (Since it was Sunday, I thought it would be ok to pray twice that morning), I prayed that God would remind me of my prayer from the beginning of the service when I asked to speak through this man so that I may drawer nearer to my God.  Though there were a few points that I appreciated, after all, it’s hard to disagree with someone completely for 45 minutes), this was a hard sermon to take to heart and though I had just prayed that I would continue worshipping throughout, I was worried that our congregants would love it because I really thinking that this type of mentality causes damage to today’s church.  It was very frustrating. 

Believe me, I am not the guy who hears one or two things that are disagreeable and rule the preacher out, even if it’s a style difference.  I even find disagreement with the people that I enjoy the most but this was on a different level. 

I left feeling like I had just wrestled with someone but not in the Jacob sense, or in the conviction sense, but more in the “sharp disagreement” sense.  This really bothered me, because generally speaking, I am one to try to pursue the unity.  I prayed, I talked to people I trust, and while I’m tempted to say it was a bad sermon, it wasn’t.  Many people like it.  I just had significant problems with its thesis. 

There will be a next time, especially because of the positions that I appreciate.  The good was in the conversations that resulted with a trusted few and personal reflection.  So may God bless this man, our congregation, my heart, but I hope I don’t see him at our pulpit anytime soon.  

Shane Claiborne Gets Uninvited to Cedarville.

This is such a church practice, invite someone, then realize there’s something “different” about them, conclude they are “dangerous” and eventually un-invite them.  

They have every right to do whatever they want, it’s their school but I am only pointing out its lameness. 

The reasoning behind it does not matter.  It’s almost irrelevant.  Unless it’s a morality or scandal then once you invited him, you must let him speak. 

I hope the leadership of Cedarville have nothing to do with the selection committee in heaven.  Can you imagine standing in St. Peter’s line, finally getting to the gate, Jesus welcoming you, saying “Well done …”.  You smile with assurance because you had never read about that in the Scriptures but anyway, you’re in.  Then all of a sudden a couple of men in suits and collegiate Cedarville ties whisper in Jesus’ ear and you’re told that you have been uninvited. 

Hmmm, not that revenge is appropriate, but maybe we can Shane on that heaven selection committee. 

As a student ministries pastor who does not preach “emergent stuff”, I am more concerned with the narrow-mindedness of the school.  I am familiar with this mentality as I graduated from Liberty University.  Though I had mostly a positive experience there, I discovered that you only learn what you are being taught, you are going to miss out on a quite a bit.  I wished Liberty was a little more open to other ideas but regardless here I am.  Thank you Holy Spirit.  ;-)

 In any event, those who sincerely seek will find.  This will be true of many attending Cedarville.  However, maybe attendance will drop by a couple because I can’t say that I can encourage any of my students to attend there.

Here’s the link from Christianity Today.

Scot McKnight blogged about it here

Also, Scot has a link to Shane’s response on his post. 

 

 

Reflecting on our young adult group and the Suburban Christian

 

One day I will share this blog with people.  Some of the people will be those that I am writing about.  Well today I am thinking about our young adult group.  Truth be told, it’s a pretty good group.  I really enjoy being with them and think it’s one of the better aspects of our church. 

Generally we meet the first three Sunday nights of the month and our strategy has been where book groups meet small groups.  So we use books to spring board conversation.  We’ve used Don Miller’s, Blue Like Jazz, Rob Bell’s Velvet Elvis and now we are reading the Suburban Christian.  This last book has been the toughest for some because there’s a bit of sociology in it and the first two chapters are not as sexy as say Blue … or Velvet …  Maybe I am missing the boat here, but I don’t think so.  It’s a good book.  And it shouldn’t be compared to aforementioned books because they are each written for different reasons. 

I find myself a little frustrated with this.  I keep trying to read it with new eyes, trying to forget that I have already determined that I have found value in it and I know I can be stubborn but I don’t think this book deserves the criticism that some in our group are giving it. 

If we were reading Dallas Willard’s great book, The Divine Conspiracy, and everyone was complaining about how hard it was, then I’d probably say, “Ok, maybe we reached too far this time …”.  I’ve had well-intentioned, intelligent people not appreciate Willard’s greatness.  That’s ok, they don’t need to go to heaven.  Sorry, I meant to say, maybe they’re not ready to read it.

But Suburban Christian contains so many conversations that we should be talking about.  Where we live, where we work and shop, how we spend our money, how we identify ourselves, social justice aspects, and the list goes on.   Just rambling about this online gets me going on it. 

Well, I guess I am trying to figure if/when to pull the plug.  Maybe we’re throwing pearls to the swine.  Maybe we should read something easier, like anything not about God – maybe the something from Tim LaHaye or Larry Jenkins. 

Reflecting on Rufus and V-day

So for Valentines’, my wife and I headed into NYC and saw Rufus Wainwright.  Here’s the story, a couple years ago, I listened to a couple mp3s of Rufus at his piano.  He was great and I loved the soul in his voice.  Now, my wonderful wife does not keep up with my taste in music. So there are only a few bands./musicians that I tell her, “You have to hear this!”  She gets bored with that. So I never mentioned Rufus to her.

Then one day, she came home having seen Rufus perform at some kind of ballet recital in Philadelphia.  Rufus became part of our musical canon, along with Sufjan, Iron and Whine, KT Tunstall, etc. 

Some are surprised that we like him so much since he is gay and we are allegedly good Christian people.   And not only did we not protest the concert, but were delighted to give him money to sing to us on Valentine’s Day.   God bless Rufus, why not, He blesses you and me.

Should Christians listen to music performed by gay people?  Why not, they listen to ______.   Sorry, it’s not that kind of blog.  But I think you get the point.  Unless Dan Brown has some long-lost vinyl recordings of Jesus singing to himself, then there’s not whole lot of options.  Are we not a bunch of sinners listening to a bunch of other sinners?