Reflecting on Dan Kimball on Shapevine

Who doesn’t love Dan Kimball?  I probably shouldn’t ask such loaded questions on a blog but if you know what I mean, you can’t help but appreciate this guy.  Sure, he has weird hair, and he’s from CA (but apparently he’s from north Jersey – holla!) but he really gets it.  I appreciate his heart for non-believers, appreciate how he’s trying to “do church”, and love how he comes across in his books, seminars, and various ways.   We could say this about many people, and praise God.

Dan wrote a couple decent books and his new one is, “They Love Jesus but Not the Church”.  It’s one of those you wished you would have written this but you never would have but whatever.  If you are new to the emergent, emerging church, we need to do church differently conversations and you’re too frightened (or have been frightened off) by great minds like Brian McLaren, Doug Pagitt, Tony Jones, etc.  then you might appreciate Kimball.

Concerning the webcast, one thing that he said that got me thinking was something like this.  Dan tells a story of being picked up at an airport by this couple.  They talk about church, he asks them what he likes about their church and they talk about how wonderful the pastor is.  They love him.  The preaching, the personality …

Fact of the matter is, some churches are too pastor driven.  If you know me, you know why this bothers me so much.  Churches cannot be built around their senior pastor (or their staff in general).  If a church falls apart after the pastor leaves then we ought to question what the church was based on anyway.  It wasn’t Christ.  I know I’m preaching here but this is something very important to me.  It’s like there’s a book out there called “The Personality-Driven Church”.  

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I’m enjoying watching a live webcast of Dan Kimball on Shapevine.com. 

Very cool to be able to do this.  I’m at coffeeshop doing this.  Sign up for free here  Just create an account and you’re good to go.  Every Thursday there’s a new webcast.

Here’s what I know – check the site for more info.

It doesn’t appear that the previous webcasts are stored anywhere.  (I could be wrong but I couldn’t find it and I spent at least 3 minutes looking and clicking and looking).

Anyway, here’s the schedule. Webcasts begin at 4pm:

Dave Ferguson – Jan. 17 

Leonard Sweet – Jan. 22

Tri Robinson – Jan. 24 

Ryan Bolger – Jan. 31

Enjoy. 

Listen to Derek Webb … on his podcast

 I’ve been trying to catch up with the Derek Webb podcast lately.  Really appreciating it.  He’s been doing it for a while.  If you are one who enjoys his music, most likely you’ll enjoy the podcast as well.   

In the third podcast, he is summarizing good art and the Christian involvement. He insists that it’s his (like all artists) job to produce bold and truthful art.  Derek also says that too many Christian artists want to be popular and sell a lot of cds as opposed to making great art.   We have all heard that a million times before but what I appreciate about it is that it’s

coming from someone who actually is selling records.  Someone who has enjoyed the royalty checks from the Christian music industry and someone who turned his back on it.

 He also mentions his appreciate for Dylan and Wilco – can’t wrong with that.  

Check him out here.

Ravi Zacharias in Staten Island

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There’s something about Ravi Zacharias that I really like.
Could be the accent, could be his akward eye-closing/extreme squinting when he recites long passages from memory, explains something very diificult very simply, telling a detailed story, or simply stating his name. Whatever it is, I appreciate him.

He told a few too many stories. Not that I want a Josh McDowell statistic-fest but give me some more theology and philosophy.

He’s brilliant, articulate, and has a great sense of humor.
I sat thinking why this church was packed (I’m guessing 800 people or so), to hear an apologist speaking. I mean come on, he’s no, “Your Best Life Now” type of guy.
He’s very likable and he truly seems like a man of God and i never say that sort of thing. It puts the poor guy on a pedestal. But it seems that he is of admiarable character.
Also, I think one of the reasons Ravi connects with such a large audience is that he uses himself as a bridge to the more academic world. I think the average church-attender who enjoys a good three point sermon full of illustrations and reads Max Lucado and Charles Stanley, is overjoyed when they understand a point that Ravi makes.
“Because if he is so brilliant and I understand him, then maybe I aren’t so dumb”

I could be off on that. Mayeb im the dum one.
And though I do wish we would a little more of his content found in his books, it was great to hear him. Indeed a blessing to the Body.

Check out more at www.rzim.org and download some of his “Let my people think” mp3’s and consider subscriing to his team’s daily emails called Slice of Infininty.

Rick Warren's Three Purposes of Christmas on FOX NEWS tonight

Saddleback’s Warren to address global audience over holiday weekend.
Timothy C. Morgan | posted 12/22/2006 08:21AM

Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church and author of The Purpose-Driven Life, will be preaching to a global audience over Christmas thanks to Rupert Murdoch and the U.S. Defense Department.

Over Christmas eve and Christmas day, Murdoch’s Fox News Channel will air “The Purpose of Christmas with Rick Warren,” a program based on the first of 13 weekend services at Saddleback Church in Orange County, California. The Armed Services Television Network will air a similar message from Warren, potentially reaching 800,000 servicemen and their families stationed in more than 177 countries. A website ( www.thepeaceplan.com ) will direct viewers to local churches.

(full article linked to title)

Another Studio on the Bandwagon

“A couple months ago, the 20th Century Fox empire announced that it would target the Christian market with the new FoxFaith brand, bringing movies to theaters and home video just for that audience.

Now the The Weinstein Co. is following suit, launching its own faith-based distribution label, according to Variety. The development includes a first-look deal—which means Weinsten gets first dibs—with Impact Productions, a Christian production company … (article linked to title)”

Me: Christian movies. Can’t say I’m crazy about the sound of this. In short I am more interested in seeing movies being made by Christians as opposed to making movies for Christians. There is a difference.

I would hate to the same mistakes we saw with the Contemporary Christian Music Movement in the movies. At the same time, I know many who have been blessed and inspired by the fruits of the CCM industry and I can’t accuse it of being a failure. It just doesn’t work for me.

So, launch your Christian music studios, film the movies, start up CET (Christian Entertainment Tonight) on whatever station you want, but it’s a poor way to respond to the culture war.

The Year Conservatives Saved Christmas

It does seem to that this issue isn’t as big this year which makes us all wonder how much of this was hype incited by the media last year.

Interesting article though:

“Glad tidings: Christmas is saved. Sure, this season has seen its grinches. But after last year’s “holiday” attack, we’ve mostly run them back to Mt. Crumpit. Wal-Mart has prominently replaced last year’s “Happy Holidays” greetings with “Merry Christmas,” and promises 60 percent more Christmas-labeled merchandise.
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“We, quite frankly, have learned a lesson from last year,” a spokeswoman told USA Today. Target, Macy’s, Carson Pirie Scott, and other stories are also getting out of the holiday spirit in favor of Christmas.

One of this year’s early battles was short-lived. The Marine Toys for Tots Foundation initially rejected a gift of 4,000 biblically themed dolls, then changed its mind after a brief uproar. “We realized it’s a lot less time-consuming to find homes for the dolls than it is to answer media and complaints,” foundation veep Bill Grein told The Washington Post.

Meanwhile, last year’s “holiday tree” at the Michigan Capitol is once again a “Christmas tree,” a once-banned nativity float has returned to Denver’s Parade of Lights, and a momentary manger omission in St. Albans, West Virginia, has been rescinded…[article linked to title]

(the article goes on but the last two paragraphs offer us a quick history lesson and the last line with all its sarcasm gives us a little laugh.

“Those who engage in combat to remind others of “the reason for the season” would do well to remember that the Christmas season as such has only existed for about a century and a half. The 1,500-year-old Christian season that precedes December 25 is Advent, a time of fasting, penitence, and somber waiting. Protestants who eschew Advent because of an association with Rome have precedent for doing so. But the Reformers, Puritans, colonial Baptists, and others who gave rise to modern evangelicalism either passed Christmas Day with a simple worship service, or strongly opposed such a “popish” observance.

But please, the next time you’re in Wal-Mart and the clerk wishes you “Merry Christmas,” don’t get an angry look in your eye, poke your finger into the clerk’s chest, and say, “It’s Advent! Christmas isn’t until December 25!” That would be really annoying.”

An Interview with Sylvester Stallone about his faith

Is Rocky a Christian? I admit I rolled my eyes and said something negative when I saw a Bible study about Rocky and his faith. But maybe I’ll see the movie first. This interview is interesting though and I’m glad I read it (interview linked to title).

Why Great Men Fall: An Interview with Dr. Wayde Goodall

From the Monday Morning Insight blog

We’re going on two weeks now since the Ted Haggard scandal broke out, and the evangelical world is still buzzing about it. How could something like this happen? How can someone so dedicated to the cause of Christ be living a secret life? And many pastors are asking, “Even though I don’t think it could happen to me, how do I safeguard myself from ever ending up in the same situation?” This week, I had the chance to interview Dr. Wayde Goodall. Dr. Goodall is himself a pastor, and has much experience in dealing with fallen pastors and leaders. He has recently written the book: “Why Great Men Fall”. I think his word will help us all to deal with our feelings on this subject right now…

Todd: There are many pastors who are really devastated over the recent events regarding Ted Haggard. You’ve actually looked at a lot of similar cases, and wrote a book on the subject. What common things have you found to be a part of a leader’s life that could be warning signs to avoid a fall like Ted’s?

(remainder of article linked to title)

"Having reconsidered your kind offer of several th…

“Having reconsidered your kind offer of several thousand dolls last week, the Marine Toys for Tots Foundation would like to receive them. We believe that with some effort we will be able to find homes for them all.”

—Retired Maj. Bill Grein, vice president of the Toys for Tots Foundation, in a letter to David Sosha, president of Beverly Hills Teddy Bear, rescinding an earlier decision not to accept a donation of 4,000 talking dolls of Jesus, Mary, David, Moses, and Esther.

No commentary, just found it interesting.